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AR  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:28:13 AM(UTC)
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The boxscore and the video are up!!

Recap:

The Nets and Lakers, who split the season series 1-1, played an exciting championship game that went down to the wire. In the first half, each team was led by their superstar guards Isaiah Davenport of the Nets and Ahmed Elfayoumi of the Lakers. The Nets had a 9 point advantage in the first half, but settled for a 6 point halftime lead. The Lakers chipped away in the second half and actually took a 5 point lead with just a few minutes remaining. The Nets made a final push, but a few controversial calls went the other way.

Down 5, Danny Khalifa hit a corner shot that went off the glass (41:44 in the video). After the Lakers disputed that it went out of bounds, a questionable review of the play resulted in waiving off the basket due to the ball possibly hitting the beam or side of the backboard. Then down 3 with only 3.5 seconds left in the game, the Nets' Haroon Tahir stood at the line for 2 shots. He would have to make the first and miss the second for a chance at a rebound plus putback. He did make the first, but a fantom lane violation was called on the shooter (52:55 in the video). Again, the shot was waived off. After an intentionally missed second shot, Raj Jaswal fought for the offensive rebound but could only salvage a two pointer, leaving just 0.9 left on the clock. The Lakers inbounded and time expired. Final score: Lakers 60, Nets 59.

My thoughts:

Refereeing goes both ways, but as the cameraman, I can say the Nets got the short end of the stick late in the game. Two shots they made should have counted, but unfortunately, to predict what would exactly happen if the correct calls were in fact made would be impossible. Both teams played in the most exciting (yet controversial) game in MB history.

MVP:

Isaiah Davenport with 28 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists in a losing effort.

Congrats to both teams on a spectacular season, and congrats to the Lakers for winning it all!
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 8:40:49 AM(UTC)
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First of all congrats to the Lakers.

I understand the calls can go both ways, but calls should not be influnced by players. The refs should not have changed the call after they called it just cause the players start yelling. That is the first time that I witnessed this happen in MB with professional refs. Bad call by the refs Thumbs Down

As for the first call on Danny's shot, I had the best view of the shot. Here is the shot.

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I know the call for the free throw was the refs fault but, a call like that is a game changer.
Here are my FT's.


I always look at my feet before the shot.



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Here is the free throw.



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After the shot I always step back. So, I didn't step over the line after the shot.



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My feet are in the same exact place for the second shot. You can see Ahmed checking my feet. lol



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As for MVP, I agree it should go to Isaiah. The boxscore stats speak for themself. Applause

I enjoyed the draft and every min of the season, except the last 5 Angry

I look forward to seeing you guys in the Summer League Inshallah

Edited by user Tuesday, April 7, 2009 8:43:12 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I only miss during games.
AR  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 2:01:15 PM(UTC)
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the evidence is undisputable but the outcome is irreversible Banghead ..... or is it? Hmmm

props to me for catching this all on tape though Applause Afro

Edited by user Tuesday, April 7, 2009 2:25:33 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 4:19:22 PM(UTC)
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These were the most unprofessional refs i have ever seen. I remember one game where one of the refs told a player to shut up.
Most of the refs cant even dribble or shoot the ball i swear....just watching them at halftime or during timeouts trying to play made me laugh.
I wouldnt doubt that these refs smoked up before the games...no joke. Another time, the ball hit the wires on top and i swear the whole gym probably heard it but the refs didnt make a call, i didnt mind it though cuz it was my team.lol.
They dont even know the rules...i remember this ref called a foul on me for boxing out and i explained to him that all i did was got low and pushed the guy out with my ass. His reply made me wonder if this guy ever played basketball in his life. He said you cant push back, all you can do is just stand there.
The pal refs are much better though, they dont change the call just cause their pressured to.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 4:40:49 PM(UTC)
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Job well done to the Nets for a wonderful season and great run. I think of all teams this season they really pushed us the hardest, and the game could easily have gone either way.

Now, as to the refs issue above - I believe they gave calls (bad & good) both ways, and by no means gave the Lakers more calls (we were actually +1 on the foul calls), and funny enough, our team thought the officials were completely leaning towards the Nets.

And as per the "undisputable" freeze frame above, it is actually quite clear to me watching the video that the ball did hit the top of the backboard (as the pic shows), right after it hit the ceiling rafters - the ball changes trajectory twice, and so the right call was made - props to the refs for catching it.


Sami
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 5:36:24 PM(UTC)
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It never hit the rafters. Trust me I had a much better view than you. Look at where you team points towards, no one points to the rafters. Anyway the refs made a call and then changed because of you guys complaining and that is the problem I have. The only place it hit was the backboard.

Edited by user Wednesday, April 8, 2009 5:38:18 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 6:38:49 PM(UTC)
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ok i wanted to post this way earlier in the season but knew it would be better if i didnt. but now since the season is over i have to get this off my chest. these are by far the worst refs in the history of refs. baller mentioned this already but let me tell you what really happened. Edriss shot the ball from 3 feet behind the arch. naturally it hit the rafters and rattled around there for few seconds. we all stopped palying, it came down and mujtaba caught it and layed it up for fun. the refs gave him the point. i thought it was a joke. i looked at the ref, and said " ref that is out of bounds you know" he said " i didnt see it " his eyed were bloodshot red and he couldnt even look straight into my eyes. thats when i knew there was no point in arguing because i knew that ref was high. iam not joking. all throughout the season their were questionable calls, but thats not the issue because refs are human and are going to make bad calls . the issue is that there were too many calls that were to obvious and the refs blew it.

as for as the final game. great game. sad that refs blew it. i personally thought the ball didnt hit the ceiling. but thats not the issue. the issue is the refs gave the point and after lakers complaining they over turned their call. that should NEVER happen. that is very unprofessional. you cant let the players influence calls let alone in the championship game in the final minutes. its not the lakers fault, congrats to them.they had a great all around team and a great season. its the refs fault for screwing the nets. and congrats to the nets for keeping there cool because if that happened in spurs lakers game, for sure i would of been kicked and banned from MB for my actions. mad props to you nets.

Faraz

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 8:36:50 PM(UTC)
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Let me start by saying a game is more than just a play or 2, and many Lakers players could point to plays that went the other way. Secondly, I suppose I wasnt as clear as I could have been in my first post - let me clarify:

"It never hit the rafters. Trust me I had a much better view than you. Look at where you team points towards, no one points to the rafters."

I agree you had a better view than me, but that is not relevant since I was actually commenting on the video where its clear that the ball changes trajectory twice. Also, I suppose you have to trust me, the Lakers were pointing at the rafters since they saw the ball hit there live (probably from around the same perspective as you) and that is later confirmed by the fact that we all said that it hit the rafters. So I suppose I should say, trust the video, it hit the rafters.

"Anyway the refs made a call and then changed because of you guys complaining and that is the problem I have. The only place it hit was the backboard."

The refs did not make a call on the points - the scorers table added them, and the refs did the prudent thing with such a big decision: they took a minute, conferred with each other, and made a decision based on what they both saw. At no point did I see either of them say the basket counts and then change their opinion - just like they didnt say that any other basket (outside of foul calls) counts. Also, what plausible reason do the refs have at this point to change their call and succomb to our complaints? Also, how does that make sense when on the video you clearly see Nets players speaking to the refs as well, why not succomb to them (especially if you say they already made the call - refs hate to reverse themselves - why now?)? Were they scared of us? Whats with the conspiracy theories? It might just be that they saw the shot actually hit the rafters and made the call as per their observation.

Edited by user Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:48:30 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:06:06 PM(UTC)
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I was staring at it.... May allah strike me with lightning if I was lying. It hit the stupid beam/rafter whatever you want to call it.
Let your game do the talking.


In the words of Rudy Fernandez, "I want to put points on your face." so . . Taste my rainbow :)

The forecast calls for rain.

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htkg  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:45:30 AM(UTC)
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Sorry, for being offensive. I removed what I said, and I apologize.

You do not need to swear by Allah on your life, its not that serious.

Again, I did not complain about the refs, I complained that you guys complained once the refs made a call. And yes the ref did make a call.

Thanks for the Props FA, we did hold it together all season. I can say the team I played with I would definitly play with again. No one on the team had an ego, no one fought. We had one technical all season and that was the game before the finals. We had all team players. And even with some of the calls at the end of the game they held it together. Any other team would have probably argued the call and probably gotten a technical. They played hard every game. They were the best at what they did. Some definilty had the most skill in the league, at the same time were the most humble.

Sami, you are right, a game is more than just a play or 2. We had a bad second half.

Again, congrats on your victory.
I only miss during games.
AR  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 8, 2009 10:08:22 AM(UTC)
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I see now that it did hit the beam. It hit the beam, then the backboard, then it went in. I still don't understand the lane violation for the life of me though.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:20:04 PM(UTC)
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Congrats to all teams that made it to the final four - semi-finals and finals all had great games - definitely fun to watch. It's unfortunate the finals ended with some controversy, but it happens. Personally, I think the shot by Danny was the right call and it was the right move for the officials to talk about it - whether or not any players influenced them in making the call we don't know, only the refs can speak on that. If the ball really did hit the beam then backboard and go in, I would vote for Danny to be in the All-Star H-O-R-S-E contest - what a shot regardless. And to me, the FT violation at the end is questionable especially from that angle... I was hoping the game would have gone into OT. There were some nice plays from the game that shouldn't be overlooked - one of my favs is the steal by Isaiah and the fast break give and go (21:10 in the video).

I'll be putting up a few pics I took from Sunday sometime soon.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 8, 2009 4:56:27 PM(UTC)
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lol AR I'm just kidding... and expressing how it really did happen. People survive from lightning strikes :)
Let your game do the talking.


In the words of Rudy Fernandez, "I want to put points on your face." so . . Taste my rainbow :)

The forecast calls for rain.

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#14 Posted : Wednesday, April 8, 2009 5:12:40 PM(UTC)
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I think I should be the MVP of the game since I asked the refs to come together to make a decision on the rafter shot. I may be mistaken, but I don't think anyone really noticed it except for me and the other ref, lol. You can mail me my trophy...Kidding. Game can be won or lost by many things when its only by a point. It sucks that it came down to a couple of calls, but thats the game, its crazy. As for the refs, they were loose in the first half of the season then tightened up at the end resulting in people fouling out because they weren't used to the calls. I just ask for consistency from them.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, April 8, 2009 8:08:27 PM(UTC)
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AR whens the trophy ceremony ?
Let your game do the talking.


In the words of Rudy Fernandez, "I want to put points on your face." so . . Taste my rainbow :)

The forecast calls for rain.

Y-FACTOR
Saad  
#16 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2009 12:16:33 PM(UTC)
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I’m a bit late on the forums but just wanted to firstly congrats both Lakers & Nets for advancing to the Finals & Lakers for winning it all.

Like everyone said missed calls are part of the game. They happen in even the highest level of competition in crucial late game situations. I’m sure everyone has many examples but one that I can remember is 93-94 playoffs (wow I’m getting old) where Scottie pippen was called for a foul on Hubert davis late in the game which ended up costing the Bulls the series. Pippen definitely didn’t foul him , that was good D !

So it happens , I don’t think these referee’s were that bad in terms of their knowledge of the game, they may have made a few bogus calls from what I’m hearing however for the most part I don’t think they did that bad of a job. However I do agree they were not as assertive as they should be and PAL ref’s were much more assertive which helped keep the game more under control

inshaAllah we’ll do what we can to bring the best possible referee’s to our games . at the same time I think we all have to realize that missed calls will happen & happen in all levels, sports, etc. the most important thing is to get Referee’s who have good knowledge of the game and can keep these games under control which is where I feel the Hoop heaven referee’s lacked a bit.

Slickshot we usually have awards ceremony after our summer leagues, if we don’t organize one for this winter league than you’ll most probably receiver your prizes on the first day of summer league inshaAllah.


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#17 Posted : Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:15:11 AM(UTC)
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sounds good... are you guys gna post up the teams and rosters ?? I'd like to take a gander :)
Let your game do the talking.


In the words of Rudy Fernandez, "I want to put points on your face." so . . Taste my rainbow :)

The forecast calls for rain.

Y-FACTOR
AFAY  
#18 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 1:08:10 PM(UTC)
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Welcome to the "Lakers Hate Page"

I'm just reading all of this stuff now and I hate to say it but it sounds like an Anti-Lakers forum. Nothing good to say about the team with the best record. We all know Isiah is the man but this is the first time I've ever seen a player from the losing team get awarded MVP. I think our teams resiliency deserves the MVP.

BTW, I was standing right under the basket when I saw the shot go off the rafters and as you can see in the video, Shake, Myself and Ray all instantly pointed up to the rafters. The half court ref saw the same thing...the only thing he was confused about was whether it was out of bounds or change of possession. I can understand that you think the refs "overruled" a call but in any case it's sad that you guys would want 2 points for a shot that shouldn't count. And as for the free throw, that call should never have been made that late in the game even if it was a lane violation. However, that call didn't change anything anyway. btw, the ref said foot was over the line while the free throw was being shot. Even if the Nets got both calls there was no guarantee they would have won the game. It's not like the Nets didn't get away with some BS as well. Refs make mistakes no matter where you go. Losers always complain about the refs.

Anyway, I'd like to thank the Spurs and the Nets for an exciting day and I hope to see all of you in Second and Third place again for the Summer season. Smile I'd also like to thank my teammates for a fun season. BTW, AR...sorry, but anyone that has that Starks poster can't possibly have any credibility. Smile

Peace Out
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#19 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 2:00:22 PM(UTC)
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i agree with ahmed Applause that pretty much sums it up Afro
Let your game do the talking.


In the words of Rudy Fernandez, "I want to put points on your face." so . . Taste my rainbow :)

The forecast calls for rain.

Y-FACTOR
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#20 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 3:42:44 PM(UTC)
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everyone needs to stop complaining .. it is what it is .. as for my opinion:

MVP - Edriss Froogh .. followed by ... NO ONE
Best Offensive Player - Edriss Froogh
Best Defensive Player - Edriss Froogh
Best Team - Hornets
Worst Team - tie between Lakers/Nets lol

Best Team Player - Mo Afghan LOL

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